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		<title>By: Unlikable Characters, Revisited: Unlikable Vs Unawesome &#8212; Glass Maze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unlikable Characters, Revisited: Unlikable Vs Unawesome &#8212; Glass Maze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] made some good points about my post on unlikeable characters from a couple of weeks ago, so I wanted to revisit the issue, and clarify some [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] made some good points about my post on unlikeable characters from a couple of weeks ago, so I wanted to revisit the issue, and clarify some [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lapsed.cannibal</title>
		<link>http://doodleplex.com/glassmaze/unlikable-vs-unbearable/comment-page-1/#comment-13417</link>
		<dc:creator>lapsed.cannibal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Keyan! Yes, I&#039;m with you, the &quot;not a very good reader&quot; thing is condescending, and calling it &quot;stupid&quot; to want likable characters is stupid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do think it&#039;s possible to pull off a fantastic, very readable story with a wholly unlikeable/vile character, though. But you&#039;re right, he has to be awesome in every other way. Someone you love to hate. A Mephistopheles type. The problem with Rabbit is that there&#039;s none of that there. He&#039;s a genius at self-involvement, but otherwise he&#039;s just sort of drably vile.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I guess you could make the argument that loving to hate a character is not that different from &lt;em&gt;liking&lt;/em&gt; that character.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hm.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keyan! Yes, I&#8217;m with you, the &#8220;not a very good reader&#8221; thing is condescending, and calling it &#8220;stupid&#8221; to want likable characters is stupid.</p>

<p>I do think it&#8217;s possible to pull off a fantastic, very readable story with a wholly unlikeable/vile character, though. But you&#8217;re right, he has to be awesome in every other way. Someone you love to hate. A Mephistopheles type. The problem with Rabbit is that there&#8217;s none of that there. He&#8217;s a genius at self-involvement, but otherwise he&#8217;s just sort of drably vile.</p>

<p>But I guess you could make the argument that loving to hate a character is not that different from <em>liking</em> that character.</p>

<p>Hm.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From Keyan:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m afraid I totally disagree. If I pick up something about an unlikeable character, there better be something &lt;em&gt;else&lt;/em&gt; about the story that makes it worthwhile. It&#039;s like real life - if I have to hang out with someone who sets my teeth on edge, there better be a strong reason to do so. Amusement, if he&#039;s witty. Pity. Loyalty or duty. Self-interest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Books I read for entertainment, and so the reasons need to be stronger. Richard III provides poetry and drama; so does Macbeth. I haven&#039;t read Portnoy or Rabbit (and based on this, I doubt I&#039;d seek them out).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it is feasible to write unlikeable characters and still have a good book, but it&#039;s an uphill battle - an additional hurdle to overcome. I might read a protag I don&#039;t like if the world-building is really cool; then I&#039;m in for the &quot;Ooh Shiny!&quot; stuff. But the books I read with the most enthusiasm are those where I really like the protag. Those are the ones I follow through series.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also don&#039;t go with the idea of a &quot;not very good reader.&quot; There are those who like a particular book, and others that don&#039;t. If they read, they&#039;re readers and they don&#039;t have to justify their quality or preferences. (Neither, I suppose, does the growing army of non-readers.) I found the essay ridiculously judgmental about people who make demands of their reading, and declaring them not very interesting in other ways.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Life&#039;s too short to waste time with nasty characters, in person or in fiction. Non-fiction and the news provides what I need of those.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;IMO.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Keyan:</p>

<p>I&#8217;m afraid I totally disagree. If I pick up something about an unlikeable character, there better be something <em>else</em> about the story that makes it worthwhile. It&#8217;s like real life &#8211; if I have to hang out with someone who sets my teeth on edge, there better be a strong reason to do so. Amusement, if he&#8217;s witty. Pity. Loyalty or duty. Self-interest.</p>

<p>Books I read for entertainment, and so the reasons need to be stronger. Richard III provides poetry and drama; so does Macbeth. I haven&#8217;t read Portnoy or Rabbit (and based on this, I doubt I&#8217;d seek them out).</p>

<p>I think it is feasible to write unlikeable characters and still have a good book, but it&#8217;s an uphill battle &#8211; an additional hurdle to overcome. I might read a protag I don&#8217;t like if the world-building is really cool; then I&#8217;m in for the &#8220;Ooh Shiny!&#8221; stuff. But the books I read with the most enthusiasm are those where I really like the protag. Those are the ones I follow through series.</p>

<p>I also don&#8217;t go with the idea of a &#8220;not very good reader.&#8221; There are those who like a particular book, and others that don&#8217;t. If they read, they&#8217;re readers and they don&#8217;t have to justify their quality or preferences. (Neither, I suppose, does the growing army of non-readers.) I found the essay ridiculously judgmental about people who make demands of their reading, and declaring them not very interesting in other ways.</p>

<p>Life&#8217;s too short to waste time with nasty characters, in person or in fiction. Non-fiction and the news provides what I need of those.</p>

<p>IMO.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From Keyan:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m afraid I totally disagree. If I pick up something about an unlikeable character, there better be something &lt;em&gt;else&lt;/em&gt; about the story that makes it worthwhile. It&#039;s like real life - if I have to hang out with someone who sets my teeth on edge, there better be a strong reason to do so. Amusement, if he&#039;s witty. Pity. Loyalty or duty. Self-interest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Books I read for entertainment, and so the reasons need to be stronger. Richard III provides poetry and drama; so does Macbeth. I haven&#039;t read Portnoy or Rabbit (and based on this, I doubt I&#039;d seek them out).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it is feasible to write unlikeable characters and still have a good book, but it&#039;s an uphill battle - an additional hurdle to overcome. I might read a protag I don&#039;t like if the world-building is really cool; then I&#039;m in for the &quot;Ooh Shiny!&quot; stuff. But the books I read with the most enthusiasm are those where I really like the protag. Those are the ones I follow through series.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also don&#039;t go with the idea of a &quot;not very good reader.&quot; There are those who like a particular book, and others that don&#039;t. If they read, they&#039;re readers and they don&#039;t have to justify their quality or preferences. (Neither, I suppose, does the growing army of non-readers.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Life&#039;s too short to waste time with nasty characters, in person or on the page.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;IMO.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Keyan:</p>

<p>I&#8217;m afraid I totally disagree. If I pick up something about an unlikeable character, there better be something <em>else</em> about the story that makes it worthwhile. It&#8217;s like real life &#8211; if I have to hang out with someone who sets my teeth on edge, there better be a strong reason to do so. Amusement, if he&#8217;s witty. Pity. Loyalty or duty. Self-interest.</p>

<p>Books I read for entertainment, and so the reasons need to be stronger. Richard III provides poetry and drama; so does Macbeth. I haven&#8217;t read Portnoy or Rabbit (and based on this, I doubt I&#8217;d seek them out).</p>

<p>I think it is feasible to write unlikeable characters and still have a good book, but it&#8217;s an uphill battle &#8211; an additional hurdle to overcome. I might read a protag I don&#8217;t like if the world-building is really cool; then I&#8217;m in for the &#8220;Ooh Shiny!&#8221; stuff. But the books I read with the most enthusiasm are those where I really like the protag. Those are the ones I follow through series.</p>

<p>I also don&#8217;t go with the idea of a &#8220;not very good reader.&#8221; There are those who like a particular book, and others that don&#8217;t. If they read, they&#8217;re readers and they don&#8217;t have to justify their quality or preferences. (Neither, I suppose, does the growing army of non-readers.)</p>

<p>Life&#8217;s too short to waste time with nasty characters, in person or on the page.</p>

<p>IMO.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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